Should Licensed Gun Owners' Information be Public?
If you are licensed to own a gun, would you want your name and address publicized?
A news publication in New York is under scrutiny for publishing the names and addresses of gun owners.
Less than two weeks after the tragic shooting in Newtown, Conn., the New York Journal News earlier this week published the names and addresses of local gun owners in three New York counties.
A story titled, "The gun owner next door: What you don't know about the weapons in your neighborhood," highlights the names and addresses of residents who are licensed to own handguns. The Journal News got the data through Freedom of Information Law requests, according to The Huffington Post.
The Journal News reportedly requested the information from New York's Westchester, Rockland and Putnam counties, though the publication was only able to obtain the names and addresses of those who have a license to own a handgun.
The move has drawn considerable criticism from readers. Some claim the article has put those named in danger, as they could expose law enforcement officials who are licensed to own guns. Others say it's a map for criminals to find targets where the owners do not own handguns.
What do you think? Should the Journal News have published that information if it is public? Or has this compromised the privacy and safety of those individuals who are licensed to own guns? Let us know your thoughts in the comments section below.
Azikiel F Mason
6:18 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012
The West wasn't won with a registered gun. Free the right to bear arms. You're asking for a civil war when you publicize who has the right to bear arms...because then we know who don't.
Heidi-Jean F. Rossicone
5:04 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
That makes a lot of sense actually.
Wallace McKenzie
6:47 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012
It probably already is. One of hte newspapers in town should at least ask. Most information, with the exception of personal and corporate taxes, is a public record. Most communities have home assessment information online and the county registry of deeds has the sale price and who you sold or brought your home from online.
Robert Moser
7:14 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012
What a good idea. Give criminals the information need to steal guns. How would this serve a legitimate purpose?
Heidi-Jean F. Rossicone
5:04 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
I was just going to say that. That's like advertising that you have a lot of gold jewelry in your house. Burglars and junkies can read.
Temperance Ropple
7:15 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012
I work..I earn my WELL-EARNED money..and what I do with that money is none of your business! When will "The Right to Privacy" prevail. We already have cameras following us everywhere we go! Snaping pictures of license plates, now maniquins with tracking devices, not to mention the intrusion we have on the Internet and that there are even Facebook Police. Give me a BREAK! What have we come to! People are storing these arms because where we came from in the Good Old USA and what we've become, people are planning to protect themselves because we are scrapping the bottom with all our rights and privileges reduced to a spy state. Bet lots of Senators and Represenatives have more than the average citizen. Let's start publishing THEIR ownership and addresses first!
gene
9:22 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012
Where does the Constitution say you have a "right to privacy?"
Robert Moser
7:41 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012
Massachusetts gun laws are amongst the strictest in the nation.Licensed gun owners in Ma. must have clean record so this would simply be harrassing law abiding citizens. This has nothing to do with public safety( if anything it would be dangerous). This has everything to do with a political agenda, so while we are at it, why not list those that have had an abortion or have an opinion one way or the other on gay rights? Knee jerk reactions are often not well thought out.
Joe Whipple
12:31 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
Speaking of things that are not well thought out, having an abortion or opinions about gay rights are not matters of public record, so there is no way a citizen or a newspaper can obtain that information from the government.
B
7:58 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012
There are two different issues here: The privacy issue created by publishing public records on the Internet, and the high rate gun related deaths in this country. I think it is time that municipalities be held to the same standards that many Internet sites are held to when it comes to privacy. They should be required to have a privacy policy, perhaps set by the state or federal government. They really should have an opt-in policy when it comes to publishing some public records on the Internet, such as your age, address, home ownership, etc.
Gerry MacDonald
8:25 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012
Information on gun owners should not be public as this would provide a list for criminals to break in and get more guns. If a person is licensed for a gun, the local police have that information and that is sufficient. This would also provide kids a list to try and get guns.
Restless
8:34 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012
I agree.
gene
9:25 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012
But the NRA says people who own guns will be able to stop these crimes. So by their logic there will be no break ins.
linda
11:27 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012
I agree!
Heidi-Jean F. Rossicone
5:07 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
The NRA doesn't say you will always be home to stop break ins. That's just ridiculous. If there is a mass stabbing do we publish everyone who owns a large butcher knife? For crying out loud you can't even find out if there is an ex-con murderer living next to you. Now we want to publish names of those who have never shot anyone? Smells of a witch hunt to boot.
Mark Chulsky
8:51 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012
I am disgusted with those who use the tragedy to pursue their political agenda. Why don't the smart guys publish a list of ILLEGAL gun owners?
Heidi-Jean F. Rossicone
5:08 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
Totally agree. The most tragic thing I have ever seen in my life, and I hope to never see anything more tragic, and it's being used to push a political anti-gun agenda. S
Heidi-Jean F. Rossicone
5:08 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
It's shameful.
John Buba
9:11 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012
Even worse, publishing a list of gun owners just makes the non gun owners potential targets for future crime. If you are going to break into a house now you have a list of everyone who does NOT have a gun.
Did you read yesterday that in China a distraught man ran over 22 children with his auto? So I guess we now need more car control laws.
Heidi-Jean F. Rossicone
5:09 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
Well of course, this is how they will get rid of gas guzzling suv's. They can run over 22 people at a time. I wouldn't even be surprised.
gene
9:24 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012
Well the NRA and the prgun lobby all say that people carrying guns prevents crime. So logically they should have no objection to the printing of the names of gun owners. Make sense to me. Also, there is no privacy issue - a license to carry is a government issued document thus making it open to the public.
Mark Chulsky
10:54 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012
To be fair, they usually say CONCEALED arms prevent crime, so logically they should object.
Robert Moser
12:04 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
Among the many holes in that "logic" not every gun owner is a member of the NRA
Christopher R. Cook
12:36 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
so is a social security number...ready to give your up as "public information"
Franky D
2:06 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
Welfare checks are government issued documents. Should they publish those names as well? Social security numbers? Tax documents?
Another Fool
5:21 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012
Print my name. But let's also print your full name and if you own a gun or not and your address.
Michael Berry
9:26 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012
What was the intent of the "New York Journal News" disclosing this info? Does anyone know? It may be legal, but in my oppinion, it is extremely irresponsible (and political). Isn't this whole argumet about being responsible (gun owners) vs. being irresponsible? If you agree, wouldn't you also agree that the privacy of RESPONSIBLE gun owners should be left private?
Amy Larru
10:36 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012
I don't see any logic in your logical statement. Owning a gun has definitely prevented crimes from escalating, especially in situations where it was a woman alone or with her child. There are circumstances where owning a gun has proved to be an effective means of controlling an undesirable situation. To take that out of context and declare and encourage a free for all on gun owners because they can prevent crimes is like turning the average registered gun owner into a hero. Which I realize you're probably attempting to highlight how unrealistic it is, and it's supposed to be ironic but really it is coming across as irrational logic.
There is a difference between something being public knowledge and basic human rights being violated. A drivers license is government issued. How would everyone react if the newspaper decided to publish names and addresses of everyone over 21, claiming it was some agenda to stop underage drinking? A newspaper by nature should have news, not serve as a specialized phone book using search requirements designated by a biased reporter running a story.
Heidi-Jean F. Rossicone
5:10 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
Well said.
Thomas Dowd
11:18 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012
Fourth Amendment to the Constitution - Bill of Rights
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Carolyn Costain
12:14 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
I think that the title question is the stupidest question I have ever seen. My answer of course is a flat out "NO!" It would just put a big red target on a house for criminals looking for guns.
Amy Larru
12:16 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
Another flaw I have considered:
What if if is a family setting and only one member is registered to carry a firearm, and that member is out of the house with their firearm and someone breaks into their house in search of an illegal firearm for themself and as a result the remaining family members are injured?
There is a lot that wasn't considered in regards to safety and privacy when the journalist decided to selfishly follow their pursuit.
Franky D
2:07 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
Or tell them to rob the house next door because they don't have a gun to protect themselves with.
Joe Whipple
12:24 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
In many ways, anonymity is an unfortunate by-product of the urbanization of society. I have a book about Prince Edward Island (where my grandmother came from). It says that in earlier times, everybody knew all about their neighbors. They looked out for each other. They knew who was having trouble and could help. They were a concerned community.
Our increasing isolation — and secretiveness — is not real progress, even if nosy neighbors were an unfortunate side of older ways.
The freedom from warantless searches by the government (4th Amendment) is not an endorsement of anonymity. Nor does it mean that public records should be secret. Government business (such as issuing licenses) should be conducted in the open.
All that said, I think the overall effect of the printing of this information is unfortunate because it tells criminals where they will not be confronted by an armed (legally, that is) homeowner.
Robert Dietz
12:59 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
How about just posting a list of the entire contents of every house, whereby a thief will only have to break into a house containing the goods or weapons being sought. This will result in a lot of unnecessary breaks. " tongue in cheek"
Franky D
2:00 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
I think they should make owning a gun against the law just like having heroine or crystal meth. Look how outlawing those have kept drugs off the streets.
Another Fool
5:26 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012
Yup and then only the criminals and people that break the law have both. guns and Drugs. What a great mix. We will all be safe then, right?
Sean Ward
5:39 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012
I think Franky was being sarcastic.
Buzz
2:02 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
Terrible idea to publish this info. A blogger, Christopher Fountain published all the home address info for the reporters of that paper. That seems reasonable.
Mark Chulsky
3:20 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
Nice! Do you have a link?
Buzz
5:01 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
He took most of the post down, but here is a link to someone mapping the reporters at that paper: http://www.newrochelletalk.com/content/map-where-are-journal-news-employees-your-neighborhood
Mark Chulsky
7:50 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
Thank you!
kmm
3:43 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
The problem is NOT with people that own guns legally. The person that killed the kids in CT stole those guns from his mother. Lets not punish the people that own legally. Its the people that use weapons to kill. Its the ill person on the other side of the weapon that is killing! Guns do not shoot on their own. The ill person on the other end has to shoot the weapon! THAT IS THE PROBLEM!!!! Yes, if a person owns a gun legally, it should be known. They have nothing to hide from.
Sean
6:37 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
FOIA Freedom of Information Act*
Ron Powell
9:56 am on Friday, December 28, 2012
It is actually against the law to publish the names and addresses of gunowners in Massachusetts.
Mg.G.l. Chapter 4 Section 7 Article 26
"Public records'' shall mean all books, papers, maps, photographs, recorded tapes, financial statements, statistical tabulations, or other documentary materials or data, regardless of physical form or characteristics, made or received by any officer or employee of any agency, executive office, department, board, commission, bureau, division or authority of the commonwealth, or of any political subdivision thereof, or of any authority established by the general court to serve a public purpose, unless such materials or data fall within the following exemptions in that they are:
.....
(j) the names and addresses of any persons contained in, or referred to in, any applications for any licenses to carry or possess firearms issued pursuant to chapter one hundred and forty or any firearms identification cards issued pursuant to said chapter one hundred and forty and the names and addresses on sales or transfers of any firearms, rifles, shotguns, or machine guns or ammunition therefor, as defined in said chapter one hundred and forty and the names and addresses on said licenses or cards;
Another Fool
5:27 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012
Thank God for that.
Sean Ward
10:13 am on Friday, December 28, 2012
Regardless of which side of the 2nd Amendment you stand on this was wrong. This made everyone in that area less safe. If any one of those homes is robbed and the guns used in a shooting the news staff should be held criminally responsible.
Another Fool
5:29 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012
Hey Deb. Why not ask the parents of the kids your children want to play with. Hey do you or anyone in your house own guns? That will work. no?
Ernie Byers
1:25 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012
Deb, while we are asking "unknowns" - did you ask if any of the members of the house were sex offenders? Or had drunk driving convictions? Did you ask if there had been any domestic disputes there? How about fireworks when it was near Fourth of July?
As for you asking if I had guns, I wouldnt answer the question either, regardless if I had weapons or not. How do I know YOU are not a whack job with a crack head partner who is casing my house to see if I can defend myself or if this is a house where you can steal weapons to support your habit? That's why people keep it a secret. Also, how would you determine if they people are "responsible gun owners" You obviously dont own a gun or know much about them, what would you look for exactly?
Lets be clear - you ask about guns because you want to expose people who own guns and try and shame them by taking that information back to others in the community, and trying to convince them that (according to your damaged logic) that they are a threat to their children. Old tactic, shamless, and useless.
Again, None of your business what I have in my house.
Sean Ward
2:23 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012
Deborah, if they refuse to answer your questions then your kids don't belong at their house. We don't need to government to figure that one out for us do we?
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5:29 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012
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Momma Bear
9:47 am on Monday, December 31, 2012
What about the parents who have not told their children there is a locked firearm in the home for their safety and for any other children coming to their home....By publishing this information they have now taken away the parents right to tell their kids...
J.Yuma
11:10 am on Monday, December 31, 2012
Be careful when taking others rights away because when they come for your rights, you will find yourself alone.
J.Yuma
12:36 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012
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J.Yuma
2:03 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012
This video has 90,000 likes on Youtube already.
Mark Chulsky
3:11 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012
But what's the plan?
To ban violent movies? Not gonna work.
Allow concealed weapons for school, college, theater, etc. staff -- that would work -- it works in Israel. Stress on ALLOW, don't force anyone, just the common knowledge that it's allowed would do miracles.
But try to convince the teacher unions...
Jose O.
5:32 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012
Have you been to a high school/college recently? Some of those kids are HUGE. What do you propose we do when a teacher (male or female) gets overpowered by some of these punks; who then, of course, steal their gun and kill everyone??? Terrible idea. Typical ignorant, shortsighted "MORE guns are the answer" response from an uneducated gun-nut.
Even better...what if a teacher actually USES one of these "concealed weapons" on a student??? Justified or not; that teacher will be vilified for the rest of their life. No teacher/professor in their right mind would ever agree to carry a weapon in this day and age. Please stop spreading this neanderthal nonsense.
Mark Chulsky
6:35 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012
Hello, Jose,
Sounds like you've been to school recently, so can you read before you respond?
"Concealed" -- means nobody needs to know who has and who has no gun. The answer is not necessarily more guns, but the lack of assurance there are no guns on premises. As I said, it works in Israel, and it could work anywhere. So please stop shutting me up and think.
Jose O.
7:42 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012
How about you learn how to read yourself, pal.
"Even better...what if a teacher actually USES one of these "concealed weapons" on a student??? Justified or not; that teacher will be vilified for the rest of their life. No teacher/professor in their right mind would ever agree to carry a weapon in this day and age. Please stop spreading this neanderthal nonsense."
Saber Walsh
9:02 am on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
I know a lot of professors who carry. Just saying.
Jose O
2:47 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
How many professors do you know that have actually USED a weapon on a student? That was the question.
"Even better...what if a teacher actually USES one of these "concealed weapons" on a student??? Justified or not; that teacher will be vilified for the rest of their life...."
Saber Walsh
9:02 am on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
And the White House-sponsored bar fight continues.
davidb
11:03 am on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
In Mass you need a gun license to carry Mace. So a published list may greatly mis-represent why a person may have a gun license.
Sean Ward
11:27 am on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
There are ways to arm the school without strapping the teachers. There could be biometric weapons in a locked safe with a small number of trained and certified school administrators that can access it. There could be non-lethal defensive weapons like tazers. Jose, attacking people trying to discuss possible solutions good or bad is very immature. If you can't discuss the topic like a grown up go find something else to do.
J.Yuma
2:27 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
Wait until the pot stations and casinos open, crime will skyrocket -- you'll wish you owned a firearm.
Jermaine
2:44 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
More likely to be robbed or attacked by an alcoholic than a pothead. Sorry.
J.Yuma
3:09 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
And that's better?,...show me the stats on that one,that pot shops and casinos decrease crime.
Joe Whipple
3:34 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
That's not what Jermaine claimed.
J.Yuma
4:26 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
People who are dealing with illness SHOULD have access to whatever helps them cope,- but money corrupts and here is a link to what happened in LA and what will happen here,- people will get a bogus prescription for pot.
http://www.scpr.org/news/2012/09/25/34425/feds-target-71-pot-shops-la/
Ask any law enforcement person what the impact will be.
Dave Gray
5:43 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
Oh, please......like law enforcement would ever say anything else anyway, even though most of them already know that this, in the greater scheme of thing, is much ado about nothing. I'd like to see it totally legalized. I see significant tax revenue possibilities, and an opportunity to prevent the necessity for contact with those involved in other drug traffic. I don't deny that states that were first to do this had problems, but we have an opportunity to learn from those mistakes and do it better.
J.Yuma
5:53 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
Yeah Dave, society is not stupid enough, we need to legalize dope,...brilliant, - what could go wrong?
Dave Gray
8:51 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
You're point being? You want stupid? Walk into any bar. Apparently being stupid isn't illegal. I'd rather see the money go somewhere other than to the cartels.
Jose O
8:56 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
Would you favor a law that would make alcohol illegal? If not, then your anti-marijuana ramblings are hypocritcal.
J.Yuma
9:22 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
This bill was passed to help people cope with illness, but like California, it will be abused and profits made by pot smoking dirt bags who could care less about the ill as long as they can smoke weed, that's what you're defending.
Dave Gray
8:48 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013
Pot smoking dirtbags..............as opposed to alcohol swilling dirtbags. Thank goodness the majority disagree with you. It's about time you got over it.
Ernie Byers
6:34 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013
The hypocrisy is almost funny...
"Armed guards from RGA Investigations have taken up post at the Journal News’ Rockland County headquarters"
http://www.rocklandtimes.com/2013/01/01/the-journal-news-is-armed-and-dangerous/